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CatharzGodfoot wrote:Need I remind you, Crissa, that America's Smartest City is in the South?
Sometimes I agree with the Daily Beast and sometimes I don't. But to be honest, I cannot for the life of me understand what the fuck the methodology of that article is or what they are attempting to show. I mean, don't get me wrong: Fresno is a hellhole. Just ask K: nothing good has ever come from Fresno. But while it does have an abysmally low college completion rate for California, it's still better than say, West Virgina.

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I wouldn't know; I've managed to avoid both so far. But seriously, tit for tat won't show whether or not the South has a higher IQ than the North. I only posted the link out of civic pride.
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CatharzGodfoot wrote:I wouldn't know; I've managed to avoid both so far. But seriously, tit for tat won't show whether or not the South has a higher IQ than the North. I only posted the link out of civic pride.
No of course it won't. I just can't figure out where the hell their numbers come from, when they list Fresno as the "dumbest" city in America when it still has a larger percentage of college graduates than several states. Dumbest city in California I am totally willing to grant. But fuck man, I've been to Birmingham.

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Methodology -
First, some rules of the game. We only ranked metropolitan areas (the cities and their suburbs) of 1 million people or more, using Census data, with the definition of each greater metropolitan area defined by Nielsen. That gave us 55 in all. All data was then organized on a per-capita basis, so that a resident of Norfolk, Virginia, and New York, New York, had equal weight. We’re looking for the brainiest cities, not the biggest.

Then we divided the criteria into two halves: Half for education, and half for intellectual environment. The education half encompassed how many residents had bachelor’s degrees (35 percent weighting) and graduate degrees (15 percent). No credit was given for “some college,” or “some grad school”—we rewarded those who finished the race. The intellectual environmental half had three subparts. First, we looked at nonfiction book sales (25 percent), as tracked by Nielsen BookScan, the nation’s leading provider of accurate point-of-sale data, which tracks roughly 300,000 titles each week. We focused on nonfiction as an imperfect proxy for intellectual vigor, because overall sales are dominated by fiction works that, while entertaining, aren’t always particularly thought-provoking. We also measured the ratio of institutions of higher education (15 percent), as defined by the federal government—different than just measuring college degrees, this acknowledges that universities don’t just churn out diplomas, but instead drive the intellectual vigor of cities. Finally, many studies link intelligence and political engagement, so we weighed this, too, as measured by the percentage of eligible voters who cast ballots in the last presidential election (10 percent). (Our relatively small weighting acknowledges that numerous other local factors can affect turnout.)

Once we had all these comparable, per-capita figures, we ranked the cities in each category, assigning 10 points to those near the very top, and 0 to the bottom, with scores allocated between in a broad bell curve. We then added the totals, and multiplied by two, which made for a perfect score of 200, a wash-out score of 0, and an average score right at 100—close to the exact parameters of a classic IQ test.

So behold, our first-ever rankings of America’s smartest cities, complete with The Daily Beast’s civic IQ total for each. It’s flawed, as all are such exercises, but also quite interesting and often telling. We intend to refine our methodology and welcome feedback.
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Those seem to be arbitrary weightings. Is there a reason to weight a bachelors at .35 and grad school as .15?
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Is there a reason that a town full of unemployed people who buy bibles would rate higher in the educational environment than a rich town with people who buy evil fiction books like Tolkien or George RR Martin that don't count and read them during their own free time.
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So people currently in grad school didn't get even the .35 weighting. At least, that's how it reads.
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Quite possibly. They might have meant that "some grad school" means "bachelors", but they didn't come out and say that.
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FrankTrollman wrote:
CatharzGodfoot wrote:Need I remind you, Crissa, that America's Smartest City is in the South?
Sometimes I agree with the Daily Beast and sometimes I don't. But to be honest, I cannot for the life of me understand what the fuck the methodology of that article is or what they are attempting to show. I mean, don't get me wrong: Fresno is a hellhole. Just ask K: nothing good has ever come from Fresno. But while it does have an abysmally low college completion rate for California, it's still better than say, West Virgina.
I don't see why you'd lump San Jose (larger than Raleigh-Durham) with San Francisco (not larger, but...) I know there's alot of smart people in Raleigh. It's cheap with lots of military money. But it's 1.5 million people in maybe twenty square miles. San Francisco bay area has 6 million in the bay itself, and it's over a hundred miles fucking long by twenty, and contains four to six cities the size of Raleigh-Durham, and stupidly has grown hugely since the last census, adding Fairfield-Vacaville from it's under 100K to what the hell it is now and Dublin-Tracy went from being nothing but farms to nothing but houses and tech companies spilling out of Livermore, which adds another 20-mile by 50-mile wide corridor to the east.

It's stupid methodology, that's what it is.

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Of course, IQ is stupid to begin with... Snopes says the charts based on it are wrong, but doesn't say why. Nor did they update it with repeated charts. Snopes can be stupid sometimes, more important to say stupid lefties than to update rumors about them. Lastly, with some digging I finally found the chart was spread by the Economist, though not who created it. Strangely, the Economist still didn't manage to debunk the results of the filter with different data. (Why would you use raw graduation math scores without changing it by graduation rates?)
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Crissa, do you think that they should be ranking absolute numbers rather than per capita? If so, the Bay looses out to New York and Los Angeles by a big margin.
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I'm just saying that you could fit two Raleigh-Durhams between San Francisco and San Jose, and, in fact, we basically do. There are three airports, forty miles apart each, which each have more traffic than Raleigh.

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http://vdare.com/sailer/061022_iq_table.htm <-- updated version with vaguely plausible estimates.
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I wouldn't trust that data.

That site seems to have an anti immigration axe to grind. Which might be one reason they have the states on the US/Mexico border placed so low. With Texas being the notable exception, it is only below the median (by which I mean midpoint of the data set, I might be using the term wrong.)
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Because memorizing the name of a person who never did anything of importance is so critical to our heritage.
And more:
vdare wrote:If the same paranoid logic {By which he means, supporting the interests of the racists that fund it I think} were applied to the opposition to Defend Colorado Now, we would learn that it includes Hispanic pressure groups like La Raza, which are essentially the creation of the Ford Foundation, founded by the notorious anti-Semite Henry Ford, and assorted Marxist revolutionary wannabes. (Except that this would be true.)
He is also almost shamelessly biased politically:
vdare wrote:At least Flynn acknowledged that John Tanton, in many ways the Godfather of the immigration reform movement, really is a liberal environmentalist who worries about population pressures. I came to the immigration issue from the right—as a journalist writing for Forbes, National Review, even (say it ain’t so!) the immigration-crazed Wall Street Journal—and it was a revelation to me to learn that there are environmentalists who are not just refugee socialists looking for a new excuse to push people around, but who genuinely care about trees.

Given that this nation is built on immigration and the work and minds of immigrants, (who have historically been a great asset to America) he is pining for an America that never existed:
vdare wrote:Like the immigration reform movement in general, it is a coalition, agreed only on the need for immigration reduction.
He is a moron:
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He also seems to agree with the criticism that his website is used as a front for white nationalism:
vdare wrote: We also publish on VDARE.COM a few writers, for example Jared Taylor, whom I would regard as “white nationalist,” in the sense that they aim to defend the interests of American whites. They are not white supremacists.
Note that all above quotes come from the website's own FAQ.
The man founded the Center for American Unity which, as wikipedia puts it:
wikipedia wrote:The Center for American Unity is an American non-profit educational organization dedicated to "preserving our historical unity as Americans into the 21st Century". In practice, this means a concern with "these emerging threats: mass immigration, multiculturalism, multilingualism, and affirmative action", which it views as threatening to the United States' survival "as a nation-state, the political expression of a distinct American people".
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Thats what I get for not checking my sources, thanks.
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Corporations having the capability to actually wage war?
Hell yes.
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The video its talking about is here.
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Parthenon wrote:The video its talking about is here.
That is the biggest asymmetry since CT got the shield in Counterstrike 2.

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Jilocasin wrote:Corporations having the capability to actually wage war?
Hell yes.
This has nothing to do with Corporations.

Corporations also make long range missile systems and Stealth Bombers in the US.

This is just easy to hide, and fuck it, so is a big old bomb in a shipping container.

This does slightly increase the overall danger of random terrorist X blowing shit up. But only very very slightly.
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It's not like the US, where container scanning equipment is manufactured, actually scans a percent of cargo containers entering it.

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Regarding the anti-ship missiles, these things, even if produced, would not really be a threat to the US navy. They would be a serious threat to cruise/passenger ships though but it seems an awful lot of work for ships that could be destroyed by coming along side them with more conventional delivery mechanisms and destroying themselves with a MAL of explosives.
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Maxus wrote:There might as well be.

They interpret the world in a vastly different way and have such a hugely different way to see it.

It's down to indoctrination, I guess.

If you're raised around, say, the far-right religious nut crowd, and grow up there, and don't ever associate with people who aren't like you, that leaves you very unprepared for the real world and colors how you see everything.
I figure this. The title of the paper the blog is referring to should tell you what to expect. "When Corrections Fail: The Persistence of Political Misperceptions"
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Oh, yeah, the 'when presented with evidence to the contrary, participants redoubled the strength of their belief'

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Draco_Argentum wrote:I figure this. The title of the paper the blog is referring to should tell you what to expect. "When Corrections Fail: The Persistence of Political Misperceptions"
So what you are saying is that Crissa thinks I am more sexist because she can't find anything to prove it.

It makes so much sense.
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Kaelik wrote:
Draco_Argentum wrote:I figure this. The title of the paper the blog is referring to should tell you what to expect. "When Corrections Fail: The Persistence of Political Misperceptions"
So what you are saying is that Crissa thinks I am more sexist because she can't find anything to prove it.

It makes so much sense.
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Hehe,
[url=http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/05/if-congress-were-all-women.php wrote:Matthew Yglesias[/url]]It’s hard to know how to even evaluate that claim, but we can look at the question of what would happen if the 83 male senators all vanished one day and the 17 women ignored quorum rules and rushed ahead on their own. The answer, at least as measured by DW-NOMINATE scores is that the Senate would get much more liberal. The new most-conservative Senator, Kay Bailey Hutchison, is a little bit less-conservative than your average Republican. Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe are the two least-conservative Republicans. Debbie Stabenow of Michigan who’s currently in the most liberal third of the Senate would become the median voter.
Emphasis mine. Remember, I no longer vote for Sen. Feinstein, as she's to the right of the median Democrat.

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